First of all, I would like to point out that I am not an expert. I don't claim to have any special theological knowledge, and I certainly don't have any credentials. I'm just a normal guy who's done some research and read some stuff. Also, this is not an exhaustive study. There's a ton more information surrounding the subject than what I give in this post. All that to say: I can't do justice to the subject. Look into this yourself, do some of your own research, and be a Berean. Don't just take my word for it on the subject.
With that said, let's get on with the post. So here's what we're going to do. We're going to look into:
- What Total Depravity means
- Where the idea of Total Depravity comes from
- How Total Depravity applies to us.
- Common arguments against Total Depravity (refuted!)
So what is Total Depravity? What does it mean? This is how the Dutch reformers defined the "Doctrine of the Total Depravity of man" in the Canons of Dort:
"Therefore, all people are conceived in sin and are born children of wrath, unfit for any saving good, inclined to evil, dead in their sins, and slaves to sin; without the grace of the regenerating Holy Spirit they are neither willing nor able to return to God, to reform their distorted nature, or even to dispose themselves to such reform."You may recall how in an earlier post, we talked about man's inability to save himself. This is basically that same idea. Let me illustrate it with a common analogy...
Let's say you're floundering out in the middle of the ocean, with no land in sight. With no hope of rescue, you will soon drown. God comes along in a ship, and He throws you a life preserver. You reach out, take hold of it, and are saved. I think your average Christian would agree that this is a fairly accurate analogy of salvation. But now let's adjust that analogy to fit the doctrine of Total Depravity. Instead of struggling in the middle of the ocean, you're already dead. Your lifeless body has sunk to the sea floor, and it's only a matter of time before the crabs and other bottom feeders have picked your carcass clean. "You're fish food!" as one of my pastors likes to say.
So now that you've (hopefully) gotten a good idea of what Total Depravity is, let's look at where the idea comes from.
Back in the 16th century Netherlands, a man named Jacob Arminius began spreading teachings that conflicted with reformed views, sparking the Arminian controversy of the 16th and 17th centuries. In 1610, Jacob's followers wrote up five statements of doctrine summing up their views. They submitted these statements to the Reformed Churches in the Netherlands in the hopes that they would be approved and adopted by other churches. They were disappointed! In 1618 a General Synod of the Reformed Churches from all over Europe gathered to consider these five points of Arminian doctrine. The Synod rejected the five points of Arminianism, claiming that they were contrary to scripture. The Synod then proceeded to write up their own five points of doctrine. These five points were put into the Canons of Dordt, and are now known as the five points of Calvinism. Total Depravity was one of those points outlined by the Reformers in response to the Arminians. But the idea of total depravity didn't start with them, seeing as Calvin was given the credit (Calvin was dead at the time). But the idea of Total depravity didn't start with Calvin, either. John Calvin based his idea off of Saint Augustine's idea of Original Sin (Calvin often gave credit to Augustine). But I don't want to get off track here.
Okay, so we have an idea of the history of this whole idea of Total Depravity, but where did all of these dead guys get the idea? What did they base it off of? The answer, as is the case with all Reformed doctrine, is scripture (Sola Scriptura, anyone?). Let's look at some of the scriptures supporting Total Depravity. There are too many to go into in one blog post, so I'll just touch on some of the more potent ones.
Genesis 6:5 says:
"Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."
Psalm 14:1-3 says:
"The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, They have done abominable works, There is none who does good. The Lord looks down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there are any who understand, who seek God. They have all turned aside, They have together become corrupt; There is none who does good, No, not one."Jeremiah 4:22 says:
“For My people are foolish, They have not known Me. They are silly children, And they have no understanding. They are wise to do evil, But to do good they have no knowledge.”Jeremiah 13:23 says:
"Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots? Then may you also do good who are accustomed to do evil."Romans 8:7-8 says:
"Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God."In Romans 3:9-19, Paul hammers the point home by quoting 8 separate scripture passages:
"What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin. As it is written: 'There is none righteous, no, not one; There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God. They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one.' 'Their throat is an open tomb; With their tongues they have practiced deceit'; 'The poison of asps is under their lips'; 'Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.' 'Their feet are swift to shed blood; Destruction and misery are in their ways; And the way of peace they have not known.' 'There is no fear of God before their eyes.' Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God."Okay, so we've looked at what Total Depravity is and where it comes from. But how does it apply to us? Let's take a look.
Probably the most important way is in evangelism and repentance. We (as well as those who we witness to) can only truly realize how much we are in need of a savior when we realize that 1: we have sins that we need to be saved from, and 2: that we can't save ourselves from it. Total Depravity teaches exactly that!
Look at Ray Comfort's evangelizing style. When Mr. Comfort tries to convert someone, he usually starts by asking them if they've ever told a lie. The person he's witnessing to almost always says "Yes." Ray then goes on to ask the person if they've ever stolen, blasphemed, or committed adultery. He keeps talking with the person(s) until he has convicted them of all four of those sins. Only then, after Mr. Comfort has convinced the person that they are a sinner, does he show them that they are in need of a savior. Do you see how that works? This is why the doctrine of Total Depravity is so important to us today.
Alright, so now that we know what Total Depravity means, where it comes from, and how it applies to us. So now we're going to look at a few of the most common arguments against it!
"The idea of Total Depravity is depressing!"
It is! But you know, sometimes the truth hurts. But let's consider this argument. Basically, this argument says that the idea of Total Depravity destroys our happiness and causes despair. Doesn't "Gospel" mean "The Good News?" If so, then Total Depravity must not be true because it sure as heck ain't good news. But here's the problem: How do you share the good news without first sharing the bad news? Like I said above, you can't convince somebody that they need salvation from sin unless you first tell them that they have sin they need to be saved from. Total Depravity teaches us that we are not only sinners, but that we can't do anything about it. This is bad news, yes, but it paves the way for the good news! Without the bad news of Total Depravity, the good news of salvation is irrelevant.
"If total depravity is true, then why do we see good people who aren't saved?"
Basically, this argument states that Total Depravity cannot be true based on our personal experience. When we look at the people around us, it can sometimes be easy to think that people just aren't as bad as Total Depravity makes them out to be. I mean, there are plenty of non-Christians who are decent people and who do good deeds, right?
There are a few problems with this argument. First, it puts our personal experience above the authority of scripture. We've already looked at how Scripture teaches Total Depravity. So which do you think has more authority on the subject? The infallible Word of God, or our own personal opinions and experiences? The answer is obvious. But this brings us to the other problems with this argument, concerning some of the many reasons why our personal opinion shouldn't be taken above God's. First of all, man looks on the outside, while God looks on the heart. We can't see a person's secret sins, and we can't see the true motivation for their good deeds. But God can, and He does. So what looks like a good person to us could in reality be a horrible person on the inside. Their deeds may look selfless and pure to us, but in reality they may have selfish and sinful motives. Also, our ability to judge a person's character is affected by our sinfulness. One of the defining characteristics of the sinner is that he is blind to sin, not just in himself but in all mankind.
So this argument falls apart in that it supposes our own personal perceptions trump those of God, and that we are a better judge of character than He is.
Let's recap. We've looked at what Total Depravity means, where it comes from, how it applies to us, and we even looked at (and refuted) some common arguments against it. I don't know about you, but I had fun! And I learned a lot, too. I didn't know half of this stuff until I researched it specifically for this post. So even if you didn't learn a thing, at least it was beneficial for me. ;-)
Well, this has been a long post! I hope you were able to read through it all. Like I said earlier: I'm not an expert, and this is not an exhaustive study. DO SOME RESEARCH FOR YOURSELF. "Search the scriptures daily, whether these things be so" like the Bereans in the book of Acts.
So... are you Totally Depraved? I know I was! "But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them." Amen.
Wow! At first I thought "I'm never going to get through this..." But once I started I HAD to finish it! I haven't looked on the subject for awhile and this was a good refresher.
ReplyDeleteI used to be a Arminian,then I became a Calvinist, and then I became a Christian. (I don't call myself a Calvinist anymore)
Great job! Keep up the researching! :)
Oh, and if you ever have time could you consider a post about whether or not you can lose your salvation? I've been in much turmoil over this question for over a year..Or maybe you have a link to something that would help... if you don't have time I completely understand! :)
Thanks. Researching it was quite the refresher for me, I must say.
ReplyDeleteOuch. I wouldn't talk about Arminians Calvinists and Christians as being different things, if I were you. It makes it sound like Arminians and Calvinists aren't Christians.
Well, thanks again! Writing this up was really good for me, and I'm glad to hear it's been beneficial for others.
Well, I'll actually have a post up about that sometime soon. The 'P' in TULIP stands for "Perseverance of the Saints," which basically teaches that you cannot lose your salvation. But that post could be quite a few weeks away (seeing how long this post took to write), so here's a really good link: http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-lose-salvation.html
Oh! So sorry about the way I worded that! It did sound bad... I just shared the beliefs of both Arminius and Calvin before I was truly saved, then I called myself a Calvinist for awhile until I decided to give up the title.
ReplyDeleteVery good link, but I still have a lot of questions... I'll have to read the troublesome verses in my Bible again and maybe do some research of my own.
You can tell I haven't been over TULIP in awhile! Looking forward to the 'P' post! :)
Thanks for taking the time to answer me! (I can be a little blunt they tell me)
It's okay, everyone makes mistakes. I'm not that great with my wording, or at least I'm told. ;) Do you mind me asking why you gave up the title of Calvinist?
DeleteOkay, that's good. You could bring up some of your questions in the forum... who knows, I might be able to answer a few.
I'm looking forward to the upcoming posts as well.
Thank you for the questions! I'm happy to help however I can.
Well, 1. I don't believe all that Calvin taught. 2. I've met Calvinists who are over-the-top and people tend to think of them when the think of Calvinists. 3. I don't like calling myself by a mere man's name, I so much prefer just being called a follower of Christ than a follower of Calvin.
ReplyDeleteThat's why I say that I agree with some teachings of Calvin but don't call myself a Calvinist. :)
I agree, Payton!
DeleteI DON'T believe all that Calvin taught. To be perfectly honest, I'm not a five-point Calvanist. Which is why I am interested in Jonathan's blog.
But to get back to the point,I wouldn't call myself a "Calvanist" or "Arminian" because it simply isn't Biblical to do so, in my opinion. Now it really ticks me off when people say things, then don't back them up with scripture, so here is the passage that I ge that from:
1st Corinthians 3:3-7
"You are still not spiritual. You have jealousy and arguing among you. This shows you are not spiritual. You are acting like people of the world.
One of you says, "I follow Paul." and another says " I follow Apollos" When you say things like this, you are acting like worldy people.
Is Apollos important? No! Is Paul important? No! We are only servants of God who helped you believe. Each one of us did the work God gave us to do. I planted the seed of teaching in you, and Apollow watered it. But God is the one who made the seed grow.
So the one who plants is not important, and the one who waters is not important. Only God is important, because He is the One who makes things grow."
That is why I call myself a follower of the One who makes things grow, and not merely after fallible man.
I've read that verse too, Ana. I gave it a lot of thought back then, and I came to the same conclusion that I've posted in the comment below.
DeleteI'm not saying that I'm a follower of Calvin (which I certainly am not, based on some of the things he taught), I'm simply saying that I believe in his Five points of Calvinism. Besides, Calvin is dead. Where could I follow him? The purpose is to identify with some of his teachings, not with himself, his beliefs, or his lifestyle.
Like I said below, it's more of a convenience issue. When I go to talk theology with someone in person, and one of us asks "What do you believe?" Instead of going down the long list, I can just say "Well, I'm a Calvinist" and they get the picture. Because let's face it: Not all Christians believe the same thing. Saying "I'm a Christian/follower of Christ" is very vague, no matter how true.
Also, I think it's important to point out that Paul and Apollos were preaching the same gospel. John Calvin and Jacob Arminius were not.
So when I say I'm a Calvinist, I'm not saying that I'm a follower of Calvin. I'm saying that I hold to a certain set of teachings that Calvin taught.
I agree,and I think we're on the same page here. I do the same when I say I'm a Baptist.
DeleteThe main reason I feel strongly about this is because some Christians focus so much on which denomination they are in, that they become exclusive about it. (They don't befriend those who believe differently.)
But think about it, when we all get to heaven, those differences won't matter! All that matters is that by some mystery, we are saved! And that is really the sole most important factor of theology.
What we believe about this issue is not a matter of Salvation. (if you don't believe exactly like Calvanists do, versus Arminians, you cannot be saved. Or vise-versa.)
Well, that's good. I may have said it before on this blog, but I love it when a disagreement starts between two people, only for them to find out that they're on the same page.
DeleteI can sympathize with you on that point, and I agree! The Bible says that whosoever believes in Jesus will have eternal life, but some people act like you MUST believe in all their denomination's beliefs and practice all of their denomination's works in order to be saved, and that those who do otherwise are not Christians.
I agree that they won't matter in heaven, but some of them certainly may matter on judgement day.
Um, seeing as the whole issue between Calvinists and Arminians is about when, how, and who is saved, I think it's safe to say that it IS a matter of salvation. However, I agree with what you said in parenthesis.
Well, those are pretty good reasons. I have to say that I personally can relate with all of them, but I still call myself a Calvinist. For me, it helps people identify what I believe. When somebody says they're a Mennonite or a Catholic or an Episcopalian, I don't have to go through and ask them questions about which doctrines they hold to. I already know which doctrines they hold to based on their denominational title. Denominations are like the folders in the filing cabinet of Christianity; to prevent confusion, I place myself in the Calvinist folder.
ReplyDeleteI'm still reading through it, but this is really incredible. Wow!
ReplyDeleteIncredible? It's actually very credible... JK, I know what you meant. It sure is important stuff, though!
Deleteha! I misuse words.. like I told mom she makes insanely yummy food- when actually it's right smart! Indeed this topic is important and it's very well written!
ReplyDeleteHaha, it's okay. Poor use of words is becoming a cliche for the comments on this blog (not a few of them my own).
DeleteThanks!
I agree with your illustration, Jonathan, of the swimming person grabbing the life ring. The connotation behind "Swimming" is that the person is trying and, to some extent, succeeding in keeping afloat.
ReplyDeleteThe biblical illustration is, no matter how hard we try, we can't match up to Christ's perfection, and thus, we sink. Not to say that we have ever BEEN afloat, of course. ( We are all born in our transgressions...)
So, to contintue, we are sunk, dead, and unable to rise up.
God offers us a way to rise, and, if we accept the fact that we are, sunk, accept His change in our hearts, He will lift us out of it.
But there are some who, even though many have told them the Truth, reject it. Though they realize what is Truth, they reject Conviction. They harden their hearts, and are not saved.
This is my take on that illustration.
I really enjoy theological discussions, and look forward to them. Even though we may not agree 100%, I believe we may benefit from friendly debates, ( if 'debates' doesn't have a negative connotation or tendency!)
I will reply to this in the forum, since you posted it there as well.
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