Monday, July 22, 2013

Double-Predestination: Does God Elect People to Hell?

This will (hopefully) be my last post before getting back into the "Speak up" and "What I believe" series which I left hanging.
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Believe it or not, the internet abounds with anti-Calvinist memes and pictures like this one
In this post I'll be talking about the notion of double-predestination: that God elects some people to heaven, and some people to hell. We'll specifically be looking at it from the point of view that it is an attack on Calvinism, since Calvinists are often charged with holding this view. Perhaps a later post will go over why the idea is unbiblical.

This objection has several problems in common with the claim that  "Calvinists believe that babies go to hell," which we went over in a previous post:

First of all, it is an emotional attack, meant to discredit rather than to disprove the Doctrines of Grace. It makes you go "Whoa, Calvinists believe that? I don't want to have anything to do with Calvinism!" Instead of pointing to scripture and saying "Here's how Calvinism is unbiblical, and therefore, wrong." This is a problem for those pushing this particular objection.

Secondly, it once again unfairly paints all Calvinists with the same brush. Yes, some Calvinists do believe in double-predestination (if I'm not mistaken, my old pastor in Florida is among them), but some don't (such as my family and many others). This is because...

Thirdly, the doctrine of double-predestination is NOT a specifically Calvinistic idea. Like last time, when we see a claim such as "X Calvinist believes X doctrine" we need to ask ourselves if X doctrine really comes from TULIP or from somewhere else. Double-predestination is not found in TULIP, though it can be made to fit with it.

Those are the three flaws that this argument shares with the last one (Calvinists hate babies), and I will not go into them in any more detail here since I already did there.

On to the argument itself. As is the case with many objections to Calvinism, the claim that Calvinism teaches double-predestination stems from misunderstanding. In this case, a misunderstanding of the Calvinistic Doctrine of Unconditional Election, as well as a misunderstanding of how God judges man.

The doctrine of Unconditional Election does not teach that God elects some people to hell and some people to heaven. UE deals specifically with God Electing people to Salvation, not Damnation.

But some would argue that God not electing people to heaven is basically the same as God electing those people to hell, and that on Judgement day, the condemned sinner cold use the excuse "But God, you didn't elect me!" But that's just not how it works.

God does not predestine people to hell. People destine themselves to hell by sinning. We had our chance in the garden, and we screwed up (Genesis 3). Adam's fall brought sin into the world, and all men, being descendants of Adam, are part of that sin (Romans 5:12). The wages of sin is death (romans 6:23), and thus, ALL men are condemned to Hell, not by any of God's doing, but by Adam's and by their own.

As for the "you didn't elect me" excuse, the reason it fails is that it misunderstands how judgement and atonement works. On Judgement day, God won't choose who goes to heaven and who goes to hell based on whether a person has been elected or not. Revelation 20:12-13 says:
"And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works." (Emphasis mine)
It is our works by which we will be judged and condemned. And if that's the case, then we all deserve to go to hell because we're all sinners. This is where election comes in. I like the way the Baptist Catechism puts it:
Question 24: Did God leave all mankind to perish in the condition of sin and misery?

Answer: God, out of his mere good pleasure, from all eternity, having chosen a people to everlasting life, did enter into a covenant of grace, to deliver them out of the condition of sin and misery, and to bring them into a condition of salvation, by a Redeemer. (Ephesians 1:3-4; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; Romans 5:21; 8:29-30; 9:11-12; 11:5-7; Acts 13:48; Jeremiah 31:33)
So let's look at that non-elect sinner's excuse in light of what we know about judgment day. Yes, it is true that God didn't elect the person, but they couldn't use that as an excuse to get out of the punishment of hell. Why? Because they sinned, and the wages of sin is death.

As for the elect person, he has sinned too, and so is condemned to hell as well... BUT! "Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified..." Because Jesus took their sin and punishment upon Himself, the elect man has been Justified.
"...and whom He justified, these He also glorified." (Romans 8:30, emphasis mine) Such will be the case for all of God's elect on Judgement day, and I hope by His Grace that you are among them, dear reader.

2 comments:

  1. FREE-WILL IS A SCRIPTURAL REALITY

    Does God control who is saved and who is lost? Is it man's choice or is it God who dictates man's decisions concerning salvation and the Christian's lifestyle?

    FREE-WILL

    John 5:39-40 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me, 40 and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

    Jesus was speaking to certain Jews who were trying to kill Him. Jesus said they were unwilling to come to Him. They had free-will; they just rejected Him.

    Luke 6:46 "Why do you call Me, Lord, Lord,' and do not what I say?

    Why would Jesus ask, why they disobeyed, if they did not have free-will? If they did not have a choice, Jesus would have commanded them to do His will. They would have had no option, but to obey.

    Acts 7:51 "You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did.

    These men resisted the Holy Spirit . You cannot resist the Holy Spirit if you do not have free-will.

    2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

    The Lord does not want any to perish. If men do not have free-will, everyone would have already repented. All mankind would be saved. Without the free-will of man the Lord would not need patience.

    1 Peter 5:8-9 Be sober of spirit, be on alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. 9 But resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experiences of suffering are being accomplished by your brethren who are in the world.

    It would be a hollow warning to tell Christians to resist the devil, if men do not have free-will. Resisting the devil would be impossible without free-will.

    Without free-will , there would be no sin that could be resisted.

    Without free-will, no man could resist the gospel, and all who heard it would be saved.

    SATAN WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE.

    ALL MEN HAVE FREE-WILL!


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    1. Steve, I get the feeling you did not read my post, but instead read just the title. I was not advocating Double-Predestination, but rather, I was refuting it. In that sense, we'd be on the same side.

      From reading your blog, I see that you've fallen prey to several misconceptions about Calvinism, in particular, that we don't believe in "free-will" and that we believe God "Elects some people to heaven and the rest to hell." For the latter, I would recommend reading this post. I will deal to the former in this comment.

      I believe that our will is free, but only to a degree. Our will is limited by our nature. The Bible makes it abundantly clear that our nature has been corrupted and enslaved by sin, and this includes our will. Our will is to do evil, to disobey God, to reject His Gospel, etc. (Genesis 6:5; Psalm 14:1-3; Jeremiah 4:22; John 8:33-34; Romans 3:9-19; Romans 6; Romans 8:7-8; Ephesians 2:1-3; 2 Peter 2:19). With this knowledge in hand, let's go down the list and look at each of the points you made.

      "Jesus said they were unwilling to come to Him. They had free-will; they just rejected Him."
      Of course they rejected Christ, but not because they had free will. Their wills were in subjection to sin, and so their choice was only natural.

      "Why would Jesus ask, why they disobeyed, if they did not have free-will? If they did not have a choice, Jesus would have commanded them to do His will. They would have had no option, but to obey."
      Oh, they had a choice all right. But, since man (and his will) is sinful by nature, the natural choice was to disobey.

      "You cannot resist the Holy Spirit if you do not have free-will."
      You can resist the Holy Spirit if it's in your sinful nature to do so. Your will doesn't have to be completely free.

      "The Lord does not want any to perish. If men do not have free-will, everyone would have already repented. All mankind would be saved. Without the free-will of man the Lord would not need patience."
      But our will is not free, but instead, is subjected to sin. If God did not override our sinful wills to save us, then nobody would repent. All mankind would be damned.

      "It would be a hollow warning to tell Christians to resist the devil, if men do not have free-will. Resisting the devil would be impossible without free-will."
      This is true. Those who have been saved by Christ have had their wills freed from the dominance of sin. We can still be tempted to sin, but we are no longer enslaved to sin. That's why this warning makes sense.

      "Without free-will , there would be no sin that could be resisted.
      Without free-will, no man could resist the gospel, and all who heard it would be saved."
      But man's will is not free. It is enslaved to sin. Therefore, there is no sin that cannot be resisted, no man could accept the gospel, and all who heard it would reject it. Thankfully, God intervenes so that this is not the case. He saves us from our bondage, so that we are no longer slaves to sin. This is the only way anyone can be saved.

      So is our will free? Not the way most people think. The will of the unbeliever is enslaved to sin. It is only by God's Grace that we can be saved from our bondage and choose to follow Christ.

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